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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.kevland.com/blog/2010/04/crap-500-still-equals-crap/#comment-2504</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 12:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh look, you&#039;re spamming me.  

&quot;The list has two purposes, 1. To demonstrate these papers exist contrary to claims that no peer-reviewed papers exist. 2. To be a reference for these papers.&quot;  Just as I thought.  Making an actual logical argument based on data would be too much work.  Well, and it would require you have some data on your side.

Oh, and &quot;It is not isolated to just “climatology” journals as various science journals such as Nature are not “climatology” journals.&quot;  Yeah, cause The Electricity Journal is &lt;i&gt;just like&lt;/i&gt; Nature.  

In case anyone reading is unfamiliar with &lt;i&gt;Nature&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Science&lt;/i&gt;, they are top-level general science publications, for which almost anything is on-topic.  Publishing a paper in one of them means their editors think it is better than a typical paper in the top field-specific journals.  Publishing a climatology paper in &quot;The Electricity Journal&quot; means it was so bad you couldn&#039;t get it accepted at any actual climatology journal.

Keep on digging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh look, you&#8217;re spamming me.  </p>
<p>&#8220;The list has two purposes, 1. To demonstrate these papers exist contrary to claims that no peer-reviewed papers exist. 2. To be a reference for these papers.&#8221;  Just as I thought.  Making an actual logical argument based on data would be too much work.  Well, and it would require you have some data on your side.</p>
<p>Oh, and &#8220;It is not isolated to just “climatology” journals as various science journals such as Nature are not “climatology” journals.&#8221;  Yeah, cause The Electricity Journal is <i>just like</i> Nature.  </p>
<p>In case anyone reading is unfamiliar with <i>Nature</i> and <i>Science</i>, they are top-level general science publications, for which almost anything is on-topic.  Publishing a paper in one of them means their editors think it is better than a typical paper in the top field-specific journals.  Publishing a climatology paper in &#8220;The Electricity Journal&#8221; means it was so bad you couldn&#8217;t get it accepted at any actual climatology journal.</p>
<p>Keep on digging.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.kevland.com/blog/2010/04/crap-500-still-equals-crap/#comment-2503</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 12:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alphabetical order?  By &lt;i&gt;title&lt;/i&gt;?  And again I ask, do you really expect people to read any of these things, or do you just like to whip it out and wave it around, hoping someone will be impressed?

Lots of words about how relevant Energy &amp; Environment is, but nothing about the fact that the proxies were never shown to be valid. And if the publisher doesn&#039;t list references, I have no easy way to see what other people have said about it.  Okay, I Googled it, and found out it&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/12/past-reconstructions/#more-506&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;much much worse than I thought&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;A Climate of Doubt about Global Warming is explicitly skeptical of AGW.&quot;  Well jolly good for it.  Is that supposed to be a serious scientific argument?  

&quot;Douglas et al 2007 has been defended and Santer et al 2008 has been completely refuted&quot; in unpublished papers by McI. and McK., who have a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.skepticalscience.com/broken-hockey-stick.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;long and storied record&lt;/a&gt;.  Yeah, that&#039;s convincing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alphabetical order?  By <i>title</i>?  And again I ask, do you really expect people to read any of these things, or do you just like to whip it out and wave it around, hoping someone will be impressed?</p>
<p>Lots of words about how relevant Energy &amp; Environment is, but nothing about the fact that the proxies were never shown to be valid. And if the publisher doesn&#8217;t list references, I have no easy way to see what other people have said about it.  Okay, I Googled it, and found out it&#8217;s <a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/12/past-reconstructions/#more-506" rel="nofollow">much much worse than I thought</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;A Climate of Doubt about Global Warming is explicitly skeptical of AGW.&#8221;  Well jolly good for it.  Is that supposed to be a serious scientific argument?  </p>
<p>&#8220;Douglas et al 2007 has been defended and Santer et al 2008 has been completely refuted&#8221; in unpublished papers by McI. and McK., who have a <a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/broken-hockey-stick.htm" rel="nofollow">long and storied record</a>.  Yeah, that&#8217;s convincing.</p>
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		<title>By: Poptech</title>
		<link>http://www.kevland.com/blog/2010/04/crap-500-still-equals-crap/#comment-2502</link>
		<dc:creator>Poptech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 11:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The list has two purposes, 1. To demonstrate these papers exist contrary to claims that no peer-reviewed papers exist. 2. To be a reference for these papers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The list has two purposes, 1. To demonstrate these papers exist contrary to claims that no peer-reviewed papers exist. 2. To be a reference for these papers.</p>
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		<title>By: Poptech</title>
		<link>http://www.kevland.com/blog/2010/04/crap-500-still-equals-crap/#comment-2501</link>
		<dc:creator>Poptech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 11:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question, if you did not want someone to read the papers why would you include the full paper in PDF format where available for free on the Internet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question, if you did not want someone to read the papers why would you include the full paper in PDF format where available for free on the Internet?</p>
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		<title>By: Poptech</title>
		<link>http://www.kevland.com/blog/2010/04/crap-500-still-equals-crap/#comment-2500</link>
		<dc:creator>Poptech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 11:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Zealand Geographer is an peer-reviewed academic journal. &quot;The journal publishes academic papers on aspects of the physical, human and environmental geographies&quot;

&quot;A critical review of the hypothesis that climate change is caused by carbon dioxide&quot; is a peer-reviewed paper and a review of the science.

The Electricity Journal is a peer-reviewed academic journal (ISSN: 1040-6190)

&quot;A new dynamical mechanism for major climate shifts&quot; presents and alternate hypothesis other than AGW as the cause of the climate shift in the &#039;70s.

Irrigation and Drainage is a peer-reviewed academic journal (ISSN: 1531-0353)

Again the list is of peer-reviewed papers that support skepticism of &quot;man-made&quot; global warming or the environmental or economic effects of. It is not isolated to just &quot;climatology&quot; journals as various science journals such as Nature are not &quot;climatology&quot; journals. 

Your analysis is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Zealand Geographer is an peer-reviewed academic journal. &#8220;The journal publishes academic papers on aspects of the physical, human and environmental geographies&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;A critical review of the hypothesis that climate change is caused by carbon dioxide&#8221; is a peer-reviewed paper and a review of the science.</p>
<p>The Electricity Journal is a peer-reviewed academic journal (ISSN: 1040-6190)</p>
<p>&#8220;A new dynamical mechanism for major climate shifts&#8221; presents and alternate hypothesis other than AGW as the cause of the climate shift in the &#8217;70s.</p>
<p>Irrigation and Drainage is a peer-reviewed academic journal (ISSN: 1531-0353)</p>
<p>Again the list is of peer-reviewed papers that support skepticism of &#8220;man-made&#8221; global warming or the environmental or economic effects of. It is not isolated to just &#8220;climatology&#8221; journals as various science journals such as Nature are not &#8220;climatology&#8221; journals. </p>
<p>Your analysis is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Poptech</title>
		<link>http://www.kevland.com/blog/2010/04/crap-500-still-equals-crap/#comment-2499</link>
		<dc:creator>Poptech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 11:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It never ceases to amaze me how people are unable to read what is explicitly stated. First of all the list says 700 not 500 papers. Second it is explicitly stated, 

&quot;Ordering of the papers is alphabetical except for the Hockey Stick, Cosmic Rays and Solar sections which are chronological.&quot;
Energy &amp; Environment is a peer-reviewed interdisciplinary academic journal (ISSN: 0958-305X) and is not a trade journal. The Scopus listing is wrong, which is explained here,

Correcting misinformation about the journal Energy &amp; Environment
http://www.populartechnology.net/2010/04/correcting-misinformation-about-journal.html

ISI (Institute for Scientific Information) is owned by the multi-billion dollar Thomson Reuters corporation and offers commercial database services (Web of Knowledge) similar to other companies services such as EBSCO&#039;s &quot;Academic Search&quot; and Elsevier&#039;s &quot;Scopus&quot;. Whether a journal is indexed by them is purely subjective and irrelevant to the peer-review status of the journal.

A 2000-year global temperature reconstruction based on non-tree ring proxies is not irrelevant and it is not wrong, it clearly shows using non-tree ring proxies which can be effected by many things besides temperatures that the current mild warming since the LIA is not unusual and the MWP did exist.

Environmental Geosciences is a peer-reviewed academic journal (ISSN: 1075-9565)

A Climate of Doubt about Global Warming is explicitly skeptical of AGW.

Douglas et al 2007 has been defended and Santer et al 2008 has been completely refuted,

An updated comparison of model ensemble and observed temperature trends in the tropical troposphere (PDF)
(Submitted to the International Journal of Climatology, 2009)
- Stephen McIntyre, Ross McKitrick

The Consistency of Modeled and Observed Temperature Trends in the Tropical Troposphere: A Comment on Santer et al (PDF)
(Submitted to the International Journal of Climatology, 2009)
- Stephen McIntyre, Ross McKitrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It never ceases to amaze me how people are unable to read what is explicitly stated. First of all the list says 700 not 500 papers. Second it is explicitly stated, </p>
<p>&#8220;Ordering of the papers is alphabetical except for the Hockey Stick, Cosmic Rays and Solar sections which are chronological.&#8221;<br />
Energy &amp; Environment is a peer-reviewed interdisciplinary academic journal (ISSN: 0958-305X) and is not a trade journal. The Scopus listing is wrong, which is explained here,</p>
<p>Correcting misinformation about the journal Energy &amp; Environment<br />
<a href="http://www.populartechnology.net/2010/04/correcting-misinformation-about-journal.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.populartechnology.net/2010/04/correcting-misinformation-about-journal.html</a></p>
<p>ISI (Institute for Scientific Information) is owned by the multi-billion dollar Thomson Reuters corporation and offers commercial database services (Web of Knowledge) similar to other companies services such as EBSCO&#8217;s &#8220;Academic Search&#8221; and Elsevier&#8217;s &#8220;Scopus&#8221;. Whether a journal is indexed by them is purely subjective and irrelevant to the peer-review status of the journal.</p>
<p>A 2000-year global temperature reconstruction based on non-tree ring proxies is not irrelevant and it is not wrong, it clearly shows using non-tree ring proxies which can be effected by many things besides temperatures that the current mild warming since the LIA is not unusual and the MWP did exist.</p>
<p>Environmental Geosciences is a peer-reviewed academic journal (ISSN: 1075-9565)</p>
<p>A Climate of Doubt about Global Warming is explicitly skeptical of AGW.</p>
<p>Douglas et al 2007 has been defended and Santer et al 2008 has been completely refuted,</p>
<p>An updated comparison of model ensemble and observed temperature trends in the tropical troposphere (PDF)<br />
(Submitted to the International Journal of Climatology, 2009)<br />
- Stephen McIntyre, Ross McKitrick</p>
<p>The Consistency of Modeled and Observed Temperature Trends in the Tropical Troposphere: A Comment on Santer et al (PDF)<br />
(Submitted to the International Journal of Climatology, 2009)<br />
- Stephen McIntyre, Ross McKitrick</p>
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